Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 2557 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6434 times:
Non Stage-3 compliant aircraft are not allowed to fly into the EU on a regular basis, although they are allowed to do one-off charters or substitutions. Some examples of affected planes include non-hushkitted 737-200s, 727s and DC-9s plus many Soviet types such as TU-134, TU-154 models except the compliant M variant, IL62 and IL86. The list of banned airlines certainly gets more attention though.
Amberair732 From Austria, joined Apr 2006, 702 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5408 times:
All DC-3's will be banned from passenger flights the EU as of 31st July 2008. There is an exemption which involves some vastly expensive & near impossible modifications. More information on this website:
Pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4923 times:
IL-86 as a work horse of Russian charters nevertheless still flies to EU and some other countries (Turkey, Egypt) where it should be banned because of noise restrictions.
Every year it is a matter of negotiations.
As to Europe IL-86 will be flying this summer season to the Adriatic region (Pula, Tivat).
But charter companies are changing the fleet as fast as they can.
So it may be the last summer season.
And right. TU-154M meets all requirements. It flies to Madrid and Oslo and a dozen of other places in EU.
Cloudy From United States, joined Apr 2002, 1714 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3926 times:
In the US, there used to be a list of foreign airports that the US government believed had innadequate security. The list was publically posted in US airports - I believe Athens was on there for a long time. I don't know if such a list still exists - it would be most ironic if it did.
KPHXFlyer From United States, joined Mar 2008, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3767 times:
Quoting Cloudy (Reply 6): In the US, there used to be a list of foreign airports that the US government believed had innadequate security. The list was publically posted in US airports - I believe Athens was on there for a long time. I don't know if such a list still exists - it would be most ironic if it did.
PlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 248 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3714 times:
Quoting AlexEU (Reply 3): I thought that they fly to Germany or Scandinavia? Although I am not sure is it on regular basis and if it's M series.
Regards
I know that TU-154s flew into Germany on a (quasi-)regular basis at least until recently. I used to see TU-154s at STR and SXF, in particular in the summer months. I cannot tell whether that is still the case, but I see no reason why that should have changed.
On a side note, STR also has a TU-154 as an emergency trainer, and the plane can be rented for parties (several rows of seats have been removed to form a "dance floor"):
Xtoler From United States, joined Sep 2007, 715 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3489 times:
Is this ban also for passengers' safety as well as pollution control? It makes sense, and we have a lot of the same rules here Stateside.
Quoting Cloudy (Reply 6): I believe Athens was on there for a long time. I don't know if such a list still exists - it would be most ironic if it did.
I forgot about Athens. Now that I think about it, are there any US commercial airlines flying into there? I never gave it too much thought. I'm not sure how it is now, but when my wife was stationed in Iraklion she either flew MAC or SAC 135 tanker or Olympic in and out of Greece.
EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
SFO2SVO From United States, joined Jan 2004, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2846 times:
Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 5): IL-86 as a work horse of Russian charters nevertheless still flies to EU and some other countries (Turkey, Egypt) where it should be banned because of noise restrictions.
IL86 my be flying to some places in Eastern Europe and former Yugoslavia - but not to EU destinations. IL96 does but it is compliant, same for Tu-154M and Tu-204.
BTW, AFAIK any aircraft is technically _banned_ from flying to EU because of noise. It is just fees and fines are set so high that they will rule out any commercial operation.
I think there is a photo of (Polish?) government-owned Tu-154B in EU airport in the DB. So one-time flights do happen.
Dc10s2hnl From United States, joined Aug 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2727 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 9): I forgot about Athens. Now that I think about it, are there any US commercial airlines flying into there?
Maybe the Athens security watch had more to do with its role in '80s airliner bombings and hijackings and possibly sketchier security at the old Hellinikon airport. I don't think security at the brand-new Eleftherios Venizelos is an issue at all.
And yes, Delta, US Airways (seasonal), and Continental all fly to ATH today.
AlexEU From Pitcairn, joined Oct 2007, 663 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1413 times:
Quoting Amberair732 (Reply 4): All DC-3's will be banned from passenger flights the EU as of 31st July 2008. There is an exemption which involves some vastly expensive & near impossible modifications. More information on this website:
Sponsor Message: 
From Pitcairn, joined Oct 2007, 663 posts, 
.gif){kind=small}
From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Oct 2007, 201 posts, 
From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 2557 posts, 
From Austria, joined Apr 2006, 702 posts, 
From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 154 posts, 
From United States, joined Apr 2002, 1714 posts, 
From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 248 posts, 
From Germany, joined May 2004, 1416 posts, 
What a shame.
Printer friendly format