Rolo987 From United States, joined Aug 2001, 287 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
I just saw that CO is now running their daily LAX-HNL flight on a 757 instead of the 764 that operated this route for some time. When and why did this change happen?
Njdevilsin03 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 595 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
Routes across the pond that needed a 764...They have 41 757's. And the LAX-hnl route is more leisure they need the 764's for cargo across the pond too.
Ha763 From United States, joined Jan 2003, 2674 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2131 times:
It's been at least a couple of months. I don't know the exact date, I think it was in March.
Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Reply 1): Routes across the pond that needed a 764...They have 41 757's. And the LAX-hnl route is more leisure they need the 764's for cargo across the pond too.
CO is leaving a lot of cargo behind by changing to the 757. The LAX-HNL route carried a lot of cargo that went on to GUM.
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
Correct LAX-HNL is a feeder for HNL-GUM Lots of Military and other use LAX as the gateway to SAN (Navy) or other places it is the only way to get to GUM without a passport...many Military and "locals" dont have one..
Hopefully one day there will be a LAX-GUM non stop
HAWAIIAN932 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
I flew LAX-HNL-GUM on a DC-10 and on a 747 for the return trip. All 4 flights were completely filled to capacity. This was quite a few years ago but lots of thru traffic to GUM. Many, many years ago Braniff flew a bright orange 747SP nonstop from LAX-GUM. Nobody in Guam had ever even heard of Braniff so it didn't do well at all.
EWRCabincrew From Canada, joined May 2006, 5027 posts, RR: 55 Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1709 times:
It happened March 27/28 (ish) when the HNL-NGO stopped. We pulled he 764 from the two routes (HNL-NGO and LAX-HNL for transferring aircraft to additional upgrades (like EWR-ATH and IAH-LHR)
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 15407 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1595 times:
CO should look at not making the flight a red-eye. I have gone to Hawaii a few times but flew DL and HA because they offer non-red-eyes. The last thing I want after a vacation is to not get any sleep and then be tired and disoriented the next day.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
EWRCabincrew From Canada, joined May 2006, 5027 posts, RR: 55 Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11): The last thing I want after a vacation is to not get any sleep and then be tired and disoriented the next day.
That and check out of your hotel at 1200 and have to secure your luggage somehow, putz around (town, the island, the airport, whatever) and then board your flight. Makes for a long day.
All our flights (CO2, CO72, CO14 and CO12) are red-eyes.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 15407 posts, RR: 48 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1500 times:
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12): All our flights (CO2, CO72, CO14 and CO12) are red-eyes.
But at least for the IAH and EWR, it's a long way, there are many time zones, and you can actually get some sleep.
HNL-LAX has tail winds and is only a 2 hour time change (in the winter). It sucks. But the HA and DL flights I took were great. Leave LAX at 9AM, get into Hawaii at a decent time, enough so you can rent a car, go to your hotel, check in, get some sun, have a drink, etc. Then leaving, you check-out at 9AM and you make your flight no problem and get home at about 10PM, get to sleep in your own bed and have a normal day the next day.
Right now it looks like CO flies 9AM to HNL, the plane sits there for 9 hours, then they fly it back as a red-eye. Why do they do this?
You'd think it would make sense for CO to run something like this for aircraft utilization:
That gives plenty of time for HA connections to/from other islands.
In the winter, arrive HNL 1:45PM and leaves 3:15PM.
And it takes all of 1 752 to achieve and has the added benefit of sleeper seats on the LAX-IAH red-eye, one of the suckiest red-eyes out there!
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Ha763 From United States, joined Jan 2003, 2674 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1176 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14): the plane sits there for 9 hours, then they fly it back as a red-eye. Why do they do this?
It goes to CO's hangar on the South Ramp for maintenance checks. With the 764's, they could also rotate the aircraft though out their destinations out of HNL.
Soxfan From United States, joined Mar 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1053 times:
CO still flies the 764 from EWR and IAH to Hawaii, correct? I know the website indicates a "modified" BusinessFirst service on these routes (as well as, I assume, the 752 from LAX), yet at least the menu still looks the same...I'm definitely hoping to go to Hawaii soon, so EWRCabincrew or someone else, have you flown on this route and what should be expected in BusinessFirst (or coach, for that matter)? Especially from EWR, the length rivals a pretty long international flight. Thanks!
N1120A From France, joined Dec 2003, 22904 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 936 times:
Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Reply 1): And the LAX-hnl route is more leisure they need the 764's for cargo across the pond too.
One, LAX-HNL-GUM is a huge cargo route. Two, LAX-HNL may have a lot of leisure traffic, but it pulls in steady, predictable, profitable yields. Three, the GUM traffic is much of what CO is interested in.
Quoting LAxintl (Reply 2):
CO is pretty much a non player in West Coast-Hawaii anyhow so I'm surprised the flight has hung on as long as it has to date.
Completely untrue. One, they carry a significant amount of cargo. Two, they offer the only true premium cabin on the route and pull yields because of it. Three, they carry a significant amount of LAX-GUM traffic.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11): CO should look at not making the flight a red-eye.
That would completely screw with utilization and timing.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Right now it looks like CO flies 9AM to HNL, the plane sits there for 9 hours, then they fly it back as a red-eye. Why do they do this?
Because it goes to Guam as well.
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