NYC2TLV From United States, joined Dec 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1967 times:
According to the Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, Israir Airlines (6H) has decided to cancel all flights from Ben Gurion International Airport (TLV) to John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) until the end of March. They couldn't secure an aircraft to use on the route and are awaiting for arrival of an Airbus 330 in April.
Israir had leased a 767 for a short while and was stopping in Europe on the return flights to refuel (according to the article) without telling passengers that these were planned refueling stops. So with all this new information and the possible walkout of the flight attendants for what they claim are horrible work conditions, is Israir's reputation ruined? Will people still fly with them? After such events, how can they really go after El Al Israel Airlines, Continental Airlines and Delta Air Lines?
Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 9807 posts, RR: 55 Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
Quoting NYC2TLV (Thread starter): So with all this new information and the possible walkout of the flight attendants for what they claim are horrible work conditions, is Israir's reputation ruined?
Don't you mean "ruined further"? I still can't believe they're flying after the whole "coverup of runway incursion that would have killed a lot of people if not for a whole lot of luck" thing.
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AirFranceJFK From United States, joined Jan 2002, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1368 times:
They've been using a Euro Atlantic B767-300 for the past couple weeks. Aircraft arrived at JFK this morning on an Israir flight from TLV. Not sure if its going back out.
A380US From United States, joined Mar 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 4):
a -200 or 300? ER or not? I'd be a bit surprised if no 767 could fly non-stop between Israel and the eat coast!
they have been using a 767-300ER
Quoting LY777 (Reply 5): LY flies nonstop to Canada with 763ER with no problem.
yes and when Israir did have to make a stop it was normally at like boston which means it could have made it but would not have had reserve fuel which is requiered
as in JFK is farther than YYZ
Quoting LY777 (Reply 5): All this is weird. Anyway, I don't think ISR is a good airline.
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Quoting NYC2TLV (Thread starter): According to the Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, Israir Airlines (6H) has decided to cancel all flights from Ben Gurion International Airport (TLV) to John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) until the end of March. They couldn't secure an aircraft to use on the route and are awaiting for arrival of an Airbus 330 in April.
as far as i understand you seem to be misusing your words
cancel would mean to stop completely
it is more like postponing or doing a seasonal service
Practice makes perfect but no ones perfect so why practice?
NYC2TLV From United States, joined Dec 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1072 times:
Quoting A380US (Reply 7): as far as i understand you seem to be misusing your words
cancel would mean to stop completely
it is more like postponing or doing a seasonal service
Whatever you want to call it, they left hundreds of passengers scrambling to look for alternatives. They tried to get passengers on Lufthansa (LH) and British Airways (BA), but both don't want to do it. They tried talking to El Al Israel Airlines (LY) and asked for group space but were denied. So they canceled a slew of reservations. Their reputation is shot even further now, so how can they make a real go of this?
According to the recent report on Israel 10's news program, Israir (6H) was using planes from some leasing company for a short period after returning the 767-300ER to Icelandair (FI). I think I recall that one of the aircraft that they flew recently to John F. Kennedy Intercontinental Airport (JFK) was a Neos (NO) aircraft. Anyway, these aircrafts required refueling in London when there would be strong winds. Passengers were frustrated when they had booked with Israir (6H) and were on an aircraft with a different livery, emergency instructions in foreign languages etc.
Couldn't think sink their route entirely? Imagine if you booked group space? You were really affected by this.
A380US From United States, joined Mar 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 944 times:
Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 8): Whatever you want to call it, they left hundreds of passengers scrambling to look for alternatives. They tried to get passengers on Lufthansa (LH) and British Airways (BA), but both don't want to do it. They tried talking to El Al Israel Airlines (LY) and asked for group space but were denied. So they canceled a slew of reservations. Their reputation is shot even further now, so how can they make a real go of this?
In some cases yes this is what they had to do
but I do know of many cases where they did find many people space
i also do give them credit for that I am not exactley sure the reason for them not flying these two months but i do give them alot of credit because it is not easy to find room for 100's of people
Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 8): Anyway, these aircrafts required refueling in London when there would be strong winds
these aircraft definatley did not requier fueling in london
i believe there was one time that they had to make a stop somewhere in europe but i do not know the reason
I would really like to see your source for this because i did not see it in the article unless you can show me where in the article.
Practice makes perfect but no ones perfect so why practice?
NYC2TLV From United States, joined Dec 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 746 times:
Quote: אלא שהמטוס מסוג 767 שנשלח לארץ לא מסוגל לבצע טיסה ישירה מתל אביב לניו-יורק. בעקבות זאת, החל מ-1 בינואר 2008 נאלץ המטוס לנחות נחיתת ביניים בלונדון, לתדלוק ומשם להמריא שוב.
It is clearly in the article. Israel 10 also reported this on television and recorded an Israir representative saying over the phone that their flights are direct (not non-stop).
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