Paneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 782 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1798 times:
There's a Dutch saying, answering a question with "when Easter and Whitsuntide are at the same day".(it will never happen)
That would be the answer to the topic, I guess. At least for a very long time, but why ? They use Schiphol as a big cargo hub, but when are the pax. flights coming ? Do y'all think they will fly to ORD through AMS ?
Suske From Belgium, joined May 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
Emirates wants to do to Dubai what KLM did for Amsterdam. However they think that Amsterdam/the Netherlands can't fill their aeroplanes. If they use Amsterdam as an intermediate airport they might need/help KLM. Helping KLM, would mean that they could help KLM strengthening their Asia-Europe routes (KLM's revenues depend for ah say about 25 and 35% on that strategy) and that precisely where Emirates is to establish it's core business, inter Europa-Asian/Oceanian travel.
So Emirates will avoid Amsterdam. Ofcourse one could say that using Amsterdam, they could give asian travellers an alternative, but most of those travellers probably will not have Amsterdam as their destination, so Amsterdam will remain a very unlikely airport that Emirates will serve.
And making this my first Airliners.net post, a nice obe if you ask me.
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Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 3746 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1671 times:
Quoting Suske (Reply 3): Emirates wants to do to Dubai what KLM did for Amsterdam. However they think that Amsterdam/the Netherlands can't fill their aeroplanes.
So AMS cant support EK but GLA can, BHX can, HAM can?
Reemember many travellers would be connecting at DXB to other destinations
Suske From Belgium, joined May 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1615 times:
Cheers. Ofcourse would AMS be a good very airport for EK to serve. The thing is that EK managment has deemed AMS an anomely airport, that should not be as large as it is. That might be the reason why they insist on the blinders in regard to AMS. At least that's what a university prof told me. And I found it reasonable.
I don't know if EK is interested in Brummies or that they are just serving BHX as an alternative airport for Londen and the centre of the UK. GLA might be to serve northern UK, Scotland and the scottish oil industry.
Hamburg, well, it's very remarkable that they choose this airport as an intermediate stop to Northern America. It might be that Hamburg (and Bremen) are not quite the areas to support a filled a/c. So instead of using CDG, LHR, FRA or AMS EK must've decided on using an airport that is not really a part of any airline company strategies. Those airports (the known european hubs) should fill their a/c, even AMS, just for their flights to and from DXB.
Then again eventually they must flying to more airports because they are ordering a/c like bored oil barons. oh wait they are oil barons, they might be bored. BTW did you know that building up DXB as a hub between Europe and Asia is to ensure that the UAE have business even after they run out of oil. My question was, and what do those 777's and 380's need to fly, petrol fumes?
hope to post more, hope to read some post,
cheers Suske
Houdt U van vliegen? Dan zal ik er paar vangen voor U
SWISSER From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 1641 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1369 times:
Quoting Suske (Reply 3): And making this my first Airliners.net post, a nice obe if you ask me.
A statement very well constructed Suske!
Since EK is not interested in AMS it makes my little company from an even more little country interested in making this AMS destination a future plan, and I would be pleased so I could go home more effectively while operating on that block.
Maybe thats the reason why EK does not fly there,
so I can go home...
( as ge afgestudeerd zijt moete het nekeer overwegen om af te zakken naar het midden oosten, ze betalen u hier goed en ge vermijdt Belgischen BTW!Nietemin ze hebben u nodig hier...)
MaverickM11 From United States, joined Apr 2000, 10041 posts, RR: 40 Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
Quoting Suske (Reply 7): The thing is that EK managment has deemed AMS an anomely airport, that should not be as large as it is.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 3746 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1104 times:
Quoting Suske (Reply 7): I don't know if EK is interested in Brummies or that they are just serving BHX as an alternative airport for Londen
There interested in the Birmingham/Midlands market
Quoting Suske (Reply 7): GLA might be to serve northern UK, Scotland and the scottish oil industry
I dont think they get that much traffic from the Scottish oil industry. As with all their UK routes there is a LOT of connecting traffic to Australia/New Zealand
Quoting Suske (Reply 7): Hamburg, well, it's very remarkable that they choose this airport as an intermediate stop to Northern America. It might be that Hamburg (and Bremen) are not quite the areas to support a filled a/c.
Aren't they presently serving Hamburg as a terminator flight?
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 2989 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1099 times:
KLM made Amsterdam a fortress hub and is successful in keeping certain competitors away.
The choice for Australia/Asia/Africa flights would be much more varied if any of the following: Emirates, Qatar, Gulf Air, Etihad, would fly to Amsterdam.
The Dutch (and other catchment area; Belgium, west Germany) are some of the most fanatical travellers so no anomaly here.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Quoting EHHO: It's a conflict that has been going on for years. The sum was, IIRC, that AMS is charging through-the-roof fees. In part because of KL pressure, in part because they're not willing to play on EK's terms, like all those German airports.
"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
Paneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 782 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1019 times:
Well, I am not convinced...Maybe slots are hard to get in AMS, still every year the slotcoördinater selects the requests and gives the slots away. Even though there isn't availability at all times. I wonder if EK has ever requested (as well as Etihad, Qatar). BTW Gulf used to fly to AMS in the nineties
KLM cannot just keep airlines away from Schiphol. That would be a case for Nelie Kroes, member of the Euro parliament, who watches "fare trade"within the EU.
Maybe
Quoting Suske (Reply 7): Hamburg, well, it's very remarkable that they choose this airport as an intermediate stop to Northern America. It might be that Hamburg (and Bremen) are not quite the areas to support a filled a/c. So instead of using CDG, LHR, FRA or AMS EK must've decided on using an airport that is not really a part of any airline company strategies. Those airports (the known european hubs) should fill their a/c, even AMS, just for their flights to and from DXB.
Look at their website. EK flies almost everywhere, except AMS and MAD as european hubs. I guess if KLM would make it hard getting EK to AMS, so could EK in Dubai.
Do you think a flight through AMS to ORD has a chance ?
MauriceB From Aruba, joined Aug 2004, 2141 posts, RR: 22 Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 995 times:
Quote: Since EK is not interested in AMS
Um they are interested.
The real story, which is based on facts, is that Emirates wants to fly to AMS pax for a long time. But they also want it to make theire european cargo hub, just like SQ and kalitta, (and many others). They requested for more slots, but didn't get it.
The main point is the fact that KLM fly's the route 2x a day , with MD-11 , which are barely filled, and so the Slot coordinator rather give the slots away to bussier routes, and economically more attractive routes. Also with the lots of flights from dubai to germany, which is close to the Dutch border, it isn't really needed that emirates fly's the route.
But this all could change because from january or so, KLM will stop 1 of the DUB daily services and will go to 7 or 5 each week , with the 777. This might open de door for EK.
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HUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1168 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 824 times:
KLM are only reducing their AMS-DXB to 12 weekly, and they are very popular services, not flown by the MD11 at the moment but by a mix of 332, 772 and M11.
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