FXramper From United States, joined Dec 2005, 4047 posts, RR: 84 Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
Four U.S. airlines this week are intensifying a contest to open the next non-stop route to China, the world's hottest growth market.
On Monday, American, Continental, Northwest and United airlines will submit briefs to the US Department of Transportation to boost their bids for the one China route to be approved this year.
Thought this was interesting...
American on Monday will announce it has dozens of members of Congress on its side.
Who do you think will get the route this year? Place your bets!
UAL747 From United States, joined Dec 1999, 5700 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
Have you seen the Chinese population in Dallas? Secondly, DFW and AA could take in flights from as far north as IAD to as far south as MIA to Asia and also could connect Mexican and South American passengers with ease to PEK.
DFW already has 2 daily flights to NRT and one daily flight to ICN all operated by 777's. Secondly, AA could codeshare with MU on this flight as well.
Atnight From Ecuador, joined Dec 2005, 511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3775 times:
Who needs to get it? AA (no service to china)
Who wants to get it? NW (add non-stop service from DTW to China)
Who should get it? UA (direct link between two gov capitals)
Who will get it? CO (money talks, and more important than linking goverments, is linking economies... so NYC area and Shanghai will be the winner, besides being the largest O&D markets of the four options)....
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 9660 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4): DFW and AA could take in flights from as far north as IAD
IAD-PEK is 6921 miles nonstop. It's 249 miles farther via ORD. It's 1221 miles farther via DFW.
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4): also could connect Mexican and South American passengers with ease to PEK.
That's far-fetched (certainly not easy) as long as the silly requirement is in place that transit passengers need US visas. It would make much more sense to connect at YVR.
Falcon84 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 13673 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3731 times:
Quoting Atnight (Reply 5): Who should get it? UA (direct link between two gov capitals)
Who will get it? CO (money talks, and more important than linking goverments, is linking economies... so NYC area and Shanghai will be the winner, besides being the largest O&D markets of the four options)....
I don't think it's as important to connect the Capitals as it is the business markets. DC isn't the business market that NYC is, and CO's application to PVG will nicely compliment their very successful PEK service.
Having said that, I'm sure every application has it's merits, but not everyone can have it.
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9813 posts, RR: 39 Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3685 times:
Based on the merits CO has the strongest case, CO offers nonstop service from the US's Business Capital to China's Business capital. CO's service also offers the only nonstop from the East Coast to Shanghai, CO is also a new entrant to the Shanghai market.
Quote: Continental thanks all parties for their support of the airline's application, including:
The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey
The New Jersey Parties
The Ohio Parties
The entire New Jersey Delegation
12 members of the Northern Ohio delegation
10 members of the Houston/Southeast Texas delegation
New York Governor Pataki
New Jersey Governor Corzine
Lt. Governor of Ohio Johnson
Continental's hub city mayors in New York City, Newark, Cleveland and
Houston
Mayors and airport officials from cities ranging from Amarillo and
Brownsville in Texas, to Shreveport and New Orleans in Louisiana, and to
Fort Lauderdale, Fla. and Madison, Wisc.
The Greater Houston Partnership
Ohio Chamber of Commerce
New Jersey Chamber of Commerce
Gateway Regional Chamber of Commerce
Chamber of Commerce of Southern New Jersey
New Jersey Business and Industry Association
Commerce and Industry Association of New Jersey
New Jersey Alliance for Action
Greater Elizabeth Chamber of Commerce
Manhattan Chamber of Commerce
Partnership for New York City
New York City Economic Development Corp.
China Institute
Asian American Federation of New York
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
LAXdude1023 From United States, joined exactly 2 years ago today! , 2966 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3685 times:
Exactly. This is a competition between CO and AA, UA and NW can throw in the towel.
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 6): That shouldn't mean a thing - IAD and EWR make much more sense to have direct China service than DFW.
Depends on opinion. The people who say that IAD and EWR and basing their opinions on O&D traffic and what makes "sense" based on the cities themselves. The people who argue that DFW should get it are basing their arguement on the feed that you can get through DFW. This is similar to the arguement that DL will make in 2008 when they ask for the route. Having a nonstop in Dallas is similar to having it in Atlanta, niether city will fill the plane based on O&D alone, but both cities have the best feeds (with the possible exception of ORD) in the country. The feed in EWR and IAD cant come close to compare with DFW.
LAXdude1023 From United States, joined exactly 2 years ago today! , 2966 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3668 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 10): Based on the merits CO has the strongest case, CO offers nonstop service from the US's Business Capital to China's Business capital. CO's service also offers the only nonstop from the East Coast to Shanghai, CO is also a new entrant to the Shanghai market.
The arguement will no longer be valid in December when China Eastern starts the PVG-JFK nonstop service.
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9813 posts, RR: 39 Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3653 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12): The arguement will no longer be valid in December when China Eastern starts the PVG-JFK nonstop service
The US DOT cares about helping US Carriers, not establishing Chinese monopolies on routes.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11): Exactly. This is a competition between CO and AA, UA and NW can throw in the towel.
I agree, CO wins because the market for NJ/NY to Shanghai is 5X's the DFW market, NY is the US's largest market and Business Center, Shanghai is China's largest market and Business center.
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 12552 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
Quoting N754PR (Reply 9): anyone confirm Chicago - Hong Kong daily next summer by AA?
QFSYD744 From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4): Have you seen the Chinese population in Dallas?
It is nothing compared to New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston and others.. In addition the need for a direct link from IAD-PEK is very long overdue.
Quoting Atnight (Reply 5): Who needs to get it? AA (no service to china)
AA serves ORD-PVG daily with the 772
Quoting Atnight (Reply 5): Who wants to get it? NW (add non-stop service from DTW to China)
NW serves PEK, PVG daily from NRT
Quoting Atnight (Reply 5): Who should get it? UA (direct link between two gov capitals)
Yes, this is the most needed link, yet UA already serves ORD-PEK, ORD-PVG, SFO-PEK, SFO-PVG on a daily basis. The flipside is that NYC needs a PVG link as bad as IAD needs a PEK link.
LAXdude1023 From United States, joined exactly 2 years ago today! , 2966 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3586 times:
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