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Why No KLM Service To Amsterdam From EMA & LPL?

8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 872 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

I was wondering why KLM Cityhopper do not serve Nottingham and Liverpool airports from Amsterdam. Is it simply because theyre close proximity too Birmingham and Manchester airports respectfully?

I thought it would offer much better connections for KLM to serve these airports instead of easyJet and bmibaby.

Any thoughts?

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MANmatt From United Kingdom (England), joined Apr 2004, 873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

I don't think WA could sustain services to airports so close together. We do very well out of MAN on both KL and WA services, soon all flights will be on mainline 737s out of MAN. If WA started flights from LPL or EMA it wouldn't really be creating new demand, more likely just taking away from another airports' demand instead.

Matt

MH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 920 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

KLC used to fly to EMA with S340's years ago, but stopped because of bad loads...BHX is just too close...

don't throw away tomorrow !

Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1795 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 1):
If WA started flights from LPL or EMA it wouldn't really be creating new demand, more likely just taking away from another airports' demand instead.

Indeed, and in KLMs business model they better have 8 dailies from one airport than 5 + 3 from 2 airports, offering better connections.

David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 4954 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1037 times:

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Are we forgetting that KL have tried LPL before and pulled out? Admittedly it was before World War 2.....

David

MANmatt From United Kingdom (England), joined Apr 2004, 873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 4):
Are we forgetting that KL have tried LPL before and pulled out?

No, i was only born in 1983 so my knowledge of aviation before then i really limited lol

Matt

JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 849 times:

KLM used to fly to EMA with F50s too, mid to late nineties, although the service was actually operated by KLM UK (formerly Air UK).

Karl

Pieinthesky From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 843 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Is it simply because theyre close proximity too Birmingham and Manchester airports respectfully?

Got it in one !

MainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1429 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 774 times:

LPL had no direct international services (except DUB) until EZY came along, and EMA-AMS was always British Midland territory. I'm not sure this had much to do with proximity to BHX, it was just how it was (and still is).

A small airline did attempt LPL-AMS with EMB-110 Bandeirantes in the 1980s, but the name of it escapes me.

Cardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 721 times:

KLM operate services from both CWL & BRS 4-5 times daily,plus Easyjet and BMI Baby operations.With these airports approx. 1 hour apart,i dont think close proximity affects these flights at all.
Most services are very busy.

David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 4954 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 692 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 8):
A small airline did attempt LPL-AMS

Didn't Dan Air also use to operate LPL-AMS using Comets in the early 1970s? Some blurb I've seen lists LPL-RTM with Dan Air as an additional "old" international scheduled route for LPL.

MainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1429 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 604 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 10):
Didn't Dan Air also use to operate LPL-AMS using Comets in the early 1970s? Some blurb I've seen lists LPL-RTM with Dan Air as an additional "old" international scheduled route for LPL.

Might have, I know that LPL had scheduled routes before the place nearly died after BD withdrew LHR schedules. The early 70s are a bit too early for my radar, although it'd be interesting to find out

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