Airevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6036 times:
I was just wondering why aircraft like the Privatair A319 and Boeing 737s that operate on behalf of Lufthansa or Swiss and other aircraft that size operating transatlantic flights do not use La Guardia airport? Might be more convenient for passengers than Newark and I would guess those flights do not really carry high amounts of transit passengers but just O+D passengers. Besides, La Guardia has really short ways for passengers and I would guess they have all the necessary customs installations there as well.
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Swank300 From United States, joined Jan 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6036 times:
Because believe it or not, LGA prohibits direct flights originating over approx 1,800 miles from LGA, that is why there are no direct flights to LGA from the West Coast either.
Redngold From United States, joined Mar 2000, 6906 posts, RR: 53 Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6036 times:
There are a variety of restrictions on traffic to/from LaGuardia, including but not limited to flight segment length in miles, landing slots and curfew. International flights outside of Canada generally do not meet these restrictions, expecially the segment length.
Quoting Swank300 (Reply 2): Because believe it or not, LGA prohibits direct flights originating over approx 1,800 miles from LGA,
There are a few exceptions such as Frontier's flights to/from its DEN hub.
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Apart from the famous segment length rule, even Canadian flights that do qualify must come from airports with DHS' US Customs and Border Protection pre-clearance.. Exactly because LGA doesn't have that all.
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VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3021 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5876 times:
Bermuda 2 - the agreement controlling the UK-US airline travel - specifically includes a list of cities from which US airlines may fly from to the UK and a list of cities that British airlines may fly from the UK to excepting only NYC/NJ. For the NYC/NJ area both lists include JFK and EWR (the only two specific airports in the list), but neither includes LGA.
There are no restrictions on which UK cites/airports can be used apart from the limit of two nominated airlines from each country flying into LHR that current excludes the likes of BD and CO flying LHR-USA.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Mar 2004, 1412 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5867 times:
Quoting EHHO (Reply 4): Apart from the famous segment length rule, even Canadian flights that do qualify must come from airports with DHS' US Customs and Border Protection pre-clearance.. Exactly because LGA doesn't have that all.
I haven't been as an adult, and I cannot remember from when I was in Ireland, but don't you clear US customs in Ireland too? Not that an all business class service could be profitable between LGA and DUB.
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 2456 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5848 times:
All legal restrictions aside, what about the runway length of LGA? Is that long enough for intercontinental flights? Even a BBJ or A319LR should need some runway when full, right?
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Dtwclipper From United States, joined Oct 2003, 6607 posts, RR: 30 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5761 times:
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9): considering LGAs facilities handle DC-10s, L1011s, and all versions of the 767 with relative ease. LGAs runways are 7000' by 150'. KLGA.
Yes, it is also my understanding that they went out heavily weight restricted.
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Bomber996 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5747 times:
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9): All of the above are much heavier than a BBJ or A319LR, so they would have no problem departing LGA.
Yes they may be much heavier, but would they be able to takeoff with a good sized payload? you have to remember these Heavies that fly into LGA don't go nearly to even half their range. The only aircraft I could imagine making it from LGA to Europe is the 757.
Scutfarcus From United States, joined May 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5642 times:
I read (on justplanes.com) that Delta will begin serving LGA from LAX non-stop. How do they get around the rules? DOes a special law have to be passed? What other exceptions are there for LGA?
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 25 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5637 times:
LaGuardia is one of the few airports that I know of to have an aircraft designed specifically for its use.
In the late 60's, AA wanted and aircraft that could fly between Chicago and LaGuardia, with a full load of 250 passengers, and no payload restrictions.
Viola' the DC-10 was born.
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1): Because you can get there from EWR and JFK much easier.
Dalb777 From United States, joined May 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5637 times:
Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 14): I read (on justplanes.com) that Delta will begin serving LGA from LAX non-stop. How do they get around the rules? DOes a special law have to be passed? What other exceptions are there for LGA?
That is only a Saturday service. Apparently, the rule does not apply on Saturday.
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 10232 posts, RR: 41 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5611 times:
There can be no flights from LGA beyond 1,500 miles, the exception is Denver which was an existing route from LGA when the perimeter rule was established so it was Grandfathered in.
Also there are no customs facilities to handle trans-Atlantic travelers, passengers would have to be pre-screened as they are in Aruba, Bahamas, Bermuda and Canada.
And finally LGA's gain would be JFK's loss, JFK has such paltry domestic service (save Florida) of lengths 1,500 miles and shorter because if given a choice between LGA and JFK travelers will always choose LGA. If LGA is opened up to daily Trans-cons or flights to London AA, UAL and BA would pull down flights at JFK to beef up LGA.
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LouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 283 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 5558 times:
Quoting Swank300 (Reply 2): Because believe it or not, LGA prohibits direct flights originating over approx 1,800 miles from LGA, that is why there are no direct flights to LGA from the West Coast either.
Why did the airport authorities decide to do that. Wont that keep out room for more growth to the airport since it limits the destinations available?
Is it that they feel EWR and JFK already cover all those destinations and so the need is not there?
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7029 posts, RR: 44 Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 5541 times:
God, why do New Yorkers love La Guardia so much? Man, that airport is so overcrowded and delay-prone, and it's not that close to Manhattan. I think Newark is about as convenient as La Guadia, and JFK itself is on the same road out of town as LGA, it's just a little bit (like 4 miles) further.
I must admit I do like La Guardia cos it's kind of old New York, and from a flying point of view it's amazing, especially on approaches. I've been through there half a dozen times in the last few months and every single time, it's been perfect weather and everything's working perfectly and it's been a beautiful experience without exception. But I can just imagine one tiny thing happens, a hubcap falls off an MD80 and a runway is closed for ten minutes and everyone's day is completely ruined. I'd rather pay an extra $8 in a cab and fly from JFK where there's some extra capacity to allow for snow or a taxiway closure or something. I know Newark is known as "the delay capital of the world" but again, at least it's a big airport and better equipped to cope.
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