BoeingFever777 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 2089 posts, RR: 58 Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4689 times:
Why does no N. American carrier ie: "AA, CO, DL, NW, US, or UA" fly direct from America to DXB? Is it due to laws or something or just not enough traffic to fly direct to the UAE from say JFK, ORD, EWR, ATL, or MIA?
IberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 475 posts, RR: 28 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
It seems that Delta used to operate to Dubai a few years ago. Press conference five years ago found on the Internet:
Delta Air Lines, America's leading transatlantic carrier, touched down for the first time at Dubai International Airport, in the United Arab Emirates, this evening marking the entry of the only US airline to directly serve the UAE market.
The UAE now becomes the 67th country on Delta's extensive worldwide network. Flight DL 120, which left New York JFK with a full passenger load, arrived at Dubai International Airport's state-of-the-art Sheikh Rashid Terminal, via Cairo, to a water-cannon salute and a VIP reception with His Highness Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed al Maktoum,President, Department of Civil Aviation, Government of Dubai and Chairman of the Emirates Group heading the welcomingdelegation.
HH Sheikh Ahmed boarded the state-of-the-art, long-range MD-11 aircraft to personallywelcome to Dubai, a Delta delegation which included the airline's President and Chief Operating Officer, Frederick W. Reid and its Chief Financial Officer, Michele Burns.
"Delta's arrival is a major milestone in Dubai's rapidly evolving aviation history," said HH Sheikh Ahmed. "Dubai International Airport is now served by 95 carriers but Delta is the only American airline to offer a direct route to New York JFK.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4576 times:
Think about it. Given the unfortunate presence of radical terrorists in the Middle East who hate any and all things American, then American carriers might as well paint a big target on their aircraft should they decide to fly to that region. Insurance costs and common sense will keep American airlines away from the region for years to come.
Maybe North American carriers from Canada and Mexico should fly the route.
FXramper From United States, joined Dec 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 86 Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4551 times:
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 5): Think about it. Given the unfortunate presence of radical terrorists in the Middle East who hate any and all things American, then American carriers might as well paint a big target on their aircraft should they decide to fly to that region. Insurance costs and common sense will keep American airlines away from the region for years to come.
B777A340Fan From United States, joined Oct 2005, 681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4519 times:
Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 6): Think about it. Given the unfortunate presence of radical terrorists in the Middle East who hate any and all things American, then American carriers might as well paint a big target on their aircraft should they decide to fly to that region. Insurance costs and common sense will keep American airlines away from the region for years to come.
That could understandably be a reason, but UAE is a safe country. It doesn't have an anti-American approach like, let's say, Iraq or Iran. I just think it's more of a business decision. I don't know if the market is demanding enough to justify flying from the US to DXB. Even if there were, it would only be available at limited quantity. Most US airlines serve DXB through alliances and partnerships, so indirectly, they do serve DXB. So far, it's been working for them.
BoeingFever777 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 2089 posts, RR: 58 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4462 times:
I thought the UAE was a safe country for westerns and tourism and that the government actively promoted tourism and travel to their country. That's is crazy about DL though flying to DXB, what metal were they using??? I would think that once EK starts flying LAX, SFO, and IAH in the feature that some N. American carriers would start flying to DXB. Does not have to be the airports I stated as JFK, ORD, EWR, MIA, or ATL. I also thought maybe IAD-DXB.
Interesting this part of the press conference, what HH Sheikh Ahmed mentioned when the first DL flight arrived at DXB
"The USA is now a key target for various industries within Dubai. We are looking to bring more American tourists here and to enlist major US corporations into the growing number of multi-nationals operating regional headquarters here, particularly those from the I.T. and media sectors, which would be ideally located in the Technology Free Zone. "We look to Delta to assist in building awareness of Dubai and the UAE throughout the USA and the launch of this service will play a major role in creating a closer two-way relationship."
PanAm747 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4260 times:
Leaving aside security issues, DXB has always been easy to access through European or Middle Eastern carriers. I would guess that even prior to 9/11, American carriers were content to route passengers to/from the Middle East via Europe as a matter of simplicity.
The only exception being Israel, but even now CO and DL are just beginning service there.
Logistically, it's a fair distance, and it seems to me that setting up a new station AND competing against carriers in your alliance might be a little self-defeating unless there is a HUGE demand all of a sudden. Let us also remember that UA, DL, and CO have a limited supply of wide-body airplanes, which could be another hindrance.
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Positiverate From United States, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4242 times:
Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 10): Besides, Delta going back to the Middle East soon is not too farfetched.
Not too farfetched at all, as evidenced by the TLV service they are just starting.
Panamair From United States, joined Oct 2001, 3040 posts, RR: 16 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4182 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 4): They think ATL-JNB is gonna be more profitable...what a gamble for a carrier having such problems already
JFK-DXB will be difficult for Delta to restart since EK has double daily nonstops now anyway (not to mention the myriad number of connecting options through Europe). With JNB, Delta got a headstart through the codeshares with South African - they have gained significant operational insight into the market these past few years with SA and will have less competition also.
Sllevin From United States, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4158 times:
I think US airlines don't operate to DXB for the same reason that European airlines don't fly to HNL -- there are simply the same opporunties (nice resorts, shopping, etc) that are much, much closer to home. An airline like EK flying into NYC has the ability to take on traffic that is headed beyond DXB -- a US carrier (for practical purposes) can't.
Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 13454 posts, RR: 43 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
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Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
They think ATL-JNB is gonna be more profitable...what a gamble for a carrier having such problems already.
If SA wasn't having practically full loads on that flight, DL wouldn't be jumping onto the route once SA pulls up stakes. The flights have had very good loads throughout the 6+ years SA has flown into ATL, and also have been a moneymaker cargowise as well.
As for DL returning to DXB, who really knows. Their 777 fleet is pretty much stretched thin and the only other choice would be to route it through a European city much like they've done their flights to India.
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Planespotting From United States, joined Apr 2004, 2700 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4100 times:
FedEx goes there...my uncle used to overnight there all the time after taking the A300 through...his crew base was Paris and often times he'd go through ATH before hitting DXB.
DeltaSFO From United States, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 27 Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4100 times:
Based on the comments of Delta executives so far, I would be very surprised if Delta did not take delivery of the two B777s scheduled for early 2008 delivery. Until then, B767 routings via European cities can be used for market entry and a holdover until more suitable aircraft are on property.
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