MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 22332 posts, RR: 64 Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
Continental will discontinue non-stop Houston-Maui service in favour of Los Angeles-Maui service this coming February. Moving the route to Los Angeles will allow them to right-size equipment on the route and use a 757. Here is the news article:
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2959 times:
This was discussed over the weekend, the schedule was discovered on CO's online timetable before the annoucement.
It was a surprise move......the IAH-OGG route always had its issues, the biggest of which is that it keeps a 764 busy that CO can use more efffectively on routes to Europe. By flying the route IAH-LAX-OGG, the 752 can be utilized on the route. CO is "spinning" the story by saying that more connection possibilities can be offered with the LAX stopover (not really true....CO does not offer online connections to cities other than hubs and certain Mexican cities via COEX) and CO can now try to tap into the local O&D Los Angeles-Maui market which may work. I think that CO is experimenting at LAX - and is trying to figure out what possibilites can work at LAX. Stay tuned, this could get interesting.
Luv2fly From United States, joined May 2003, 10199 posts, RR: 53 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
Quoting CLE757 (Reply 3): Continental needs to add CLE-HNL, alot of N.E Ohio pax use DL through CVG and ATL. Continental needs to grab that market.
They could offer a once a week flight during the high season to start, also they could offer blocks of seats to NCL America for the 2 ships they have based in Hawaii. It could actually be a win - win situation.
Drerx7 From United States, joined Jun 2000, 2887 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
What were some of the other IAH-OGG issues? I know they didn't carry cargo on the route like they do to HNL. Did we ever discover what route the removed 764 would be placed on?
Drerx7 From United States, joined Jun 2000, 2887 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 6): I thought CO used to have a huge presence at LAX at one time? Or was that too long ago to be relevant?
They use to be headquartered there; and yes thats too long ago to be relevant. They are trying to find a way to tap into the lucrative O&D market of Los Angeles though. This LAX-OGG flight is just a kneejerker if you ask me though--they must have plans for that 767. There are very very few connection opportunities now. In fact if you wanted to take Continental to Maui you'd definately need two connections; hopefully this doesn't kill Maui completely.
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 2104 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2802 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2): It was a surprise move......the IAH-OGG route always had its issues, the biggest of which is that it keeps a 764 busy that CO can use more efffectively on routes to Europe. By flying the route IAH-LAX-OGG, the 752 can be utilized on the route. CO is "spinning" the story by saying that more connection possibilities can be offered with the LAX stopover (not really true....CO does not offer online connections to cities other than hubs and certain Mexican cities via COEX) and CO can now try to tap into the local O&D Los Angeles-Maui market which may work. I think that CO is experimenting at LAX - and is trying to figure out what possibilites can work at LAX. Stay tuned, this could get interesting.
Good luck to them, they are going to need it...UA do very well on this route with O&D traffic.
Mbm3 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 568 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2754 times:
Quoting CLE757 (Reply 3): Continental needs to add CLE-HNL, alot of N.E Ohio pax use DL through CVG and ATL. Continental needs to grab that market.
I agree that this makes good sense, though I would imagine it would be a one stop on a 752 or 753. A weekly 764 would be great, but I just dont think they have the equipment to use.
A lot of CLE folks fly through ORD to Hawaii as well....
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CLE757 From United States, joined Apr 2005, 709 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
[quote=Mbm3,reply=9] agree that this makes good sense, though I would imagine it would be a one stop on a 752 or 753. A weekly 764 would be great, but I just dont think they have the equipment to use.
A lot of CLE folks fly through ORD to Hawaii as well....[/quote
I agree, they could use the 764 that flew IAH-OGG. I think CO should at least try a SAT/SUN service to take cruise pax to HNL, and also pax could connect to Japan,Australia and beyond.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2665 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 5): What were some of the other IAH-OGG issues? I know they didn't carry cargo on the route like they do to HNL. Did we ever discover what route the removed 764 would be placed on?
Issues on the IAH-OGG route included: uneven demand throughout the year (the seasonality was so severe that CO would cancel the service during certain times of the year, ie, Nov and early Dec), acceptable but not great yeilds (from what I have heard), the cargo (or lack thereof) issue, and operating the 764 on a longhaul route out of OGG. The 764 will be used on services to Europe out of EWR......it seems that a 764 Pacific config (20 BF seats) is scheduled for the EWR-MAD turn for a good part of the summer season, although a lot can change in the coming months.
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8):
Good luck to them, they are going to need it...UA do very well on this route with O&D traffic.
I agree, CO is taking a big chance here - its going to be interesting to see if they can pull it off. CO is not an unknown in the LA area, and CO has had a consistent presence in the LAX-HNL market, so there is some type of base for the launch of LAX-OGG........if CO can make LAX-OGG work, maybe they will consider adding service to LIH and KOA via LAX?
N1120A From France, joined Dec 2003, 22638 posts, RR: 78 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
CO is being incredibly smart here. First, they are making a preemptive move in the case TZ goes under and in the case HA decides to reenter the LAX-OGG market. Additionally, they are offering the service on the right size plane considering their stature in the market, and a true premium service along with high coach service levels (read: free meals).
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Drerx7 From United States, joined Jun 2000, 2887 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
Quoting CLE757 (Reply 10): I agree, they could use the 764 that flew IAH-OGG. I think CO should at least try a SAT/SUN service to take cruise pax to HNL, and also pax could connect to Japan,Australia and beyond.
Uh no--the point of this rediculous flight is to put that 767 to work making money. CLE to Hawaii is not worth the 767--if the 757 had the range it wouldn't be worth sending a 757. This plane is going somewhere lucrative, which I have yet to discover where. I don't think this LAX-OGG route will last long at all.
Connect to Japan Australia and beyond? For what when you can reach those destinations with 1 or maybe 2 connections. This LAX route eliminates 97% of connections. Why would anybody take Continental to Maui that doesn't live in IAH, OGG, LAX, CLE, or a couple of Mexican destinations? They'd have to change planes twice. This is the worst route CO has opened in recent history. Hope it works out.
Bobnwa From United States, joined Dec 2000, 3863 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 13): Why would anybody take Continental to Maui that doesn't live in IAH, OGG, LAX, CLE, or a couple of Mexican destinations? They'd have to change planes twice. This is the worst route CO has opened in recent history. Hope it works out.
By your logic, they shouldn't be flying LAX-HNL which they have doing quite successfully for a long time.
CALMSP From United States, joined Aug 2003, 2666 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2575 times:
this route will still work......we can still sell the IAH-OGG portion of it....so thats not that big of a problem....on the IAH part of it, we used to fly all osrts of pax from EWR....now the EWR pax will just fly to LAX instead of IAH for the OGG flight....and liek I stated in the starting thread last week, moving this widebody to a new international destination with better J fares and cargo revenue will be very worth it.
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2575 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 14):
By your logic, they shouldn't be flying LAX-HNL which they have doing quite successfully for a long time.
Of course you are correct, CO has flown the LAX-HNL for many many years - as long as I can remember.......but, many pax on the LAX-HNL flight are going to onward destinations in the Pacific, GUM being the most significant. Also, CO hauls a lot of cargo on the LAX-HNL segment, cargo that is also bound for Guam and Micronesia (this is the main reason that CO continues to use a 767 on the LAX-HNL turn.......the 752 would problably be adequate for pax demand and the 752 has the range, but CO needs the cargo capacity of the 764 for the route).
CLE757 From United States, joined Apr 2005, 709 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2556 times:
How about CLE-HNL-Beijing?...ok just kidding, but CLE-HNL would do well!
By BRANDON GLENN
8:31 am, November 22, 2005
Ohio’s exports to China grew by 50% last year, a far faster rate than the United States as a whole.
Ohio companies sent $964 million of goods to China last year, up from $644 million in the previous year, according to data from the Department of Commerce.
“It’s just having the right products for what China is requiring,” said Richard DeKaser, chief economist for National City Corp.
China is continuing to expand its industrial manufacturing capacity, and many Ohio companies supply the goods the country needs to do that, he said.
Indeed, machinery accounted for the greatest portion of Ohio exports to China, 36%, followed by computers and electronic equipment and chemicals, each around 13%.
Exports to China from all U.S. companies grew 22% last year to about $35 billion, according to the Department of Commerce.
Nuclear reactors, boilers and machinery accounted for the largest category of U.S. exports to China at 18%, followed closely by electronic machinery, such as TV and sound equipment.
In addition, the number of small and midsize Ohio companies exporting to China increased more quickly than the national average from 1999 to 2002.
In 2002, 692 such Ohio companies exported to China, an increase of 81%. Over that same time period, small- and medium-sized U.S. companies exporting to China rose 41% to 14,270, according to the Department of Commerce.
CALMSP From United States, joined Aug 2003, 2666 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2506 times:
yeah i fyou take a look at our connecting pax from LAX-HNL, sometimes you'll see half the plane connecting to GUM.......we even have some pax that connect to NGO. LAX is our largest cargo distributor......the more flights out of there, the better the cargo revenue for us.
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