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BA To Use B767 On LHR-EWR  
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3580 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

From 26th March, British Airways' London-Newark route will be downgraded from 3 B777-200's to 2 B777's and 1 B767-300. The downgraded flight will be BA187 departing 18:40 and arriving 20:50, returning the following day at 08:00am. The flight will also not operate on saturdays (from London).

On top of this, Toronto flights will be operated by 3 B777's, compared to the 2 777's and a 747 of summer this year.

What are the reasons behind this? I realise that an evening New York flight isn't going to be too popular with the business travellers. Also, what route is the extra B747 going to operate?

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User currently offlineB742 From Spain, joined Mar 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

That's a shame!  Sad

I would much rather fly on the BA 777's than the 767's to EWR!

They will have the new cabins by then on the 767's, right?

I guess the 777's are need for expansion to India and the Far East!

Any chance EWR will get back the 3x 777's!

A shame not to see the 744 in YYZ also, is this for the second daily BOM or DEL flight?

Rob!  wave 


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States, joined Dec 1999, 2739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

possibly a result of the new routes to india?


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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
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Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
A shame not to see the 744 in YYZ also, is this for the second daily BOM or DEL flight?

Rob!,

The new flights to BOM (W05, daily) and DEL (S06, daily) are scheduled with 772s, as are the BLR ops. The additional MAA flights (up from 2x to 6x) are operated with 744s....hence the need to free up metal.

Regards,

Feroze

User currently offlineWillyj From United States, joined Oct 2005, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

And if the 763s are reconfigured with the new Club World and World Traveler Plus, then there won't be any middle seats in either of those cabins.

User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
guess the 777's are need for expansion to India and the Far East!

They are also upgrading TLV to 2x777 daily.


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3580 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 5):

They are also upgrading TLV to 2x777 daily

Not quite, it'll be 1x 777 and 1x 767 daily, with the 767 operating the overnight flight  Smile

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 12876 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Thread starter):
realise that an evening New York flight isn't going to be too popular with the business travellers.

The evening flight is perfect for me. That way you can put in a full day in London before you fly home. I think most biz travelers would agree.


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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Iraq, joined Aug 2003, 1016 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

I thought the reason BA got rid of the 767 on the North Atlantic in the first place was to standardize the aircraft cabins. Otherwise, they would still be flying to BWI...

So what gives here??

User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States, joined Mar 2005, 637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Well BA does the same thing they are doing with Toronto to Chicago, two cities very near to each other. In the summer, BA 296/297 is a 747 and in the winter, it is downgrading to a T7, which is funny, because when I flew it back in July/August, they were fully packed!

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3580 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 8):
Otherwise, they would still be flying to BWI...

Baltimore and Detroit will both be B767 operated next summer also, though i think they are over the winter too.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
The evening flight is perfect for me. That way you can put in a full day in London before you fly home. I think most biz travelers would agree.

I see your point, but surely most biz passengers doing that would take the later JFK flight. An 18:40 flight means getting to the airport at 16:20 latest, which means getting on a train from Paddington at about 16:00 + getting to Paddington etc, so not really a full days work. But i see where you're coming from  Smile

User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2004, 3231 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 8):
Otherwise, they would still be flying to BWI...

And they are...a friend flew LHR-BWI in Club World last week. A 2-2-2 config which looks really good from photos I've seen. He also had the new safety video, the animation is in the style of Hed Kandi and includes some footage of T5.

From what I've seen the 767 looks good up front, might even try it next time I book a trip to Washington.


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User currently offlineMonkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

As already mentioned the 767's on the EWR route will be the newly 'dusked' ones with refurbished cabins.

Three Class: Club World, World Traveller Plus and World Traveller.

Club World will have the fully flat bed as per the 777/747 and PTV's in WTP/WT.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3021 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 8):
Otherwise, they would still be flying to BWI...

Here's a 763 back in August operating LHR-BWI:


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And another, G-BNWM, for sure operated BA228 (BWI-LHR) on 9 October and I think that G-BNWS flew BA229 (LHR-BWI) on 10 October.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 12876 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 10):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
The evening flight is perfect for me. That way you can put in a full day in London before you fly home. I think most biz travelers would agree.

I see your point, but surely most biz passengers doing that would take the later JFK flight. An 18:40 flight means getting to the airport at 16:20 latest, which means getting on a train from Paddington at about 16:00 + getting to Paddington etc, so not really a full days work. But i see where you're coming from

Yeah it does tend to cut into the day. However too late isn't perfect either. If you have to work the day after you get home, arriving at your door at midnight is no fun. If it's a Friday I'd rather have time for a very late dinner with my wife.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From United States, joined Nov 2003, 6896 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Yet more proof that JFK is the premier NYC airport  Smile

6 Daily 747s, 1 777, and Manchester service vs 2777s and 1 767!


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3580 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
6 Daily 747s, 1 777, and Manchester service vs 2777s and 1 767!

I believe LHR-JFK is and has been for a while, 5x B744 and 2x B772.  Smile

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 4):
And if the 763s are reconfigured with the new Club World and World Traveler Plus, then there won't be any middle seats in either of those cabins

There will be middle seats in these cabins!
Here are some pictures of one of BA767s with the new interior!
Club World
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4097/767cw1ic.jpg

World Traveller Plus
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3328/767wt2jg.jpg

World Traveller
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6621/767wt1hj.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3057/767wt26we.jpg

Courtesy of Fbgdavidson

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 4):
And if the 763s are reconfigured with the new Club World and World Traveler Plus, then there won't be any middle seats in either of those cabins.

I'm so stupid! I just realised what you meant by 'middle seats' - i.e a seat in between two! Sorry!  banghead 

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Hope the reliability of BAs RR7673s improves then. Those 767s are still with BA partly because there would be little chance of selling them on with their RR engines. They are dogs, particularly the one 767 which operates the MAN-JFK route, which is often going tech.

User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Iraq, joined Aug 2003, 1016 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Very nice looking cabins. I never understood why BA took the 767's off the BWI run in the first place, it seems like this aircraft is perfectly suited for this market.

With the mediocre loads BA is seeing on the LGW-DFW flights is there any chance the 767 could take over this route?? Or is this strictly LHR based??

User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1813 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2283 times:
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