HA_DC9 From United States, joined Jul 1999, 534 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
HA #481 departs HNL for PPT on Saturdays at 6:05PM, arriving at 11:45PM. The aircraft returns to HNL as HA #482 departing at 1:05AM, arriving at 6:35AM Sunday.
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1535 times:
They're actually not all that close. HNL is closer to LAX than it is to PPT, by almost 200 miles. Yes, there are cultural/historical ties that go back a long time, but not a whole lot of tourism, visiting friends/relatives, or business traffic between the two. So it's not all that surprising that each island group has far more flights to the U.S. mainland and to Australasia than to the other.
AlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1505 times:
NZ used to have flights between HNLPPT way back..now there just isnt the demand anymore.
Most Hawaiians take vacations to the mainland..esp. LAS apparently.
Visitors to Hawaii are mostly Japanese and Americans and they tend to not combine hawaii and tahiti in the same trip. For those that want 1 week in each that is why the HA once weekly flight exists.
Despite the "historical" links between Hawaii and Tahiti there is no more desire for local travel or VFR travel between the 2 - most Tahitians go to US, France and Australia.
I am sure if there was demand then Air NZ would continue to fly the route. In fact there are not many intra-pacific flights anymore - no US carriers fly HNL to Oz,NZ, Pacific like in the past. Few flights on NZ anymore as well.
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1421 times:
When I was in Tahiti, I talked to a group of people that were visiting from Hawaii. I thought this a bit strange since they're very similiar...they told me they liked Tahiti because it was like the "old" Hawaii.
FLIBOYZ From United States, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
This is directed to AlekToronto about your comment that "Most Hawaiians take vacations to the mainland...esp LAS."
You should word your comments better than that than to use "Most Hawaiians." Because Hawaii is made up of many ehtnicities. Unless you are referreing to the residents OF Hawaii. I take offense to this comment.
AnsettAW From United States, joined Dec 2003, 205 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
When I was in Tahiti, I talked to a group of people that were visiting from Hawaii. I thought this a bit strange since they're very similiar...they told me they liked Tahiti because it was like the "old" Hawaii.
They do seem similar, don't they? The islands of Polynesia cover a vast area ranging from New Zealand to Easter Island and share elements of a cultural history, but when you compare each island chain, differences certainly emerge. What I wouldn't give to travel throughout Oceania. I travel to HNL fairly often and have also visited Australia, but my interest lies in Pacific archaeology -- I'm eager to see much more of Polynesia and Micronesia in the coming years.
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AlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1315 times:
FLIBOYZ
I am offended by the Political Correctness Police. (that is the one thing that gets me going).
As someone that has been to Hawaii over 20 times I take great offence that you would suggest that i "re-word" my comment.
I am very well aware that there are many different ethnic groups in Hawaii. What shall I call residents of Hawaii in your PC world?
I guess if I say Californians or Texans you would be offended as well? as I have not included the 100 different ethnic groups that live there?
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
FLIBOYZ, I have to back up Alek here...it's pretty well documented that Hawaiians (as in residents of Hawaii) like to go to LAS on vacation. In fact, it may very well be the single most popular tourist destination from Hawaii. And the term "Hawaiian" is frequently used to refer to residents of the state, regardless of ethnic group--at least that's the first meaning that comes to mind when I see it. It's like saying "New Yorkers like to go to Florida." Yes, "Hawaiian" can also mean "native Hawaiian" people, but I thought it was pretty clear that that wasn't his meaning.
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Brido From United States, joined Mar 2000, 160 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
As a recently-former RESIDENT of Hawaii let me assure you that "Hawaiian" definitely should NOT be used to describe all people that LIVE in Hawaii!
This is a very sensitive cultural and political issue that should not even be approached by people that don't know what they are talking about!
"Hawaiian" means a descendant of the native Hawaiian people. Even native-born caucasians are not "Hawaiian". Seriously, this is a BIG deal in Hawaii!
I lived there a few years but I am sure that someone with a much better understanding of this can give even better, more detailed information.
My point is that, like other racial/cultural themes, the "Hawaiian" issue is a very complex and touchy one. Lots of important historical context that should not be taken lightly.
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1070 times:
Ok, so ideally one should say that "Kamaainas like to go to Vegas on vacation." Just like ideally one should spell the name of the state "Hawai'i." But unfortunately most people outside of Hawaii have never heard the word "kamaaina," much less know what one is, and no one outside of Hawaii is ever taught to write "Hawai'i." So, although it may be a huge faux pas in Hawaii, in the rest of the world "Hawaiian" is understood to mean "residents of Hawaii."
The more important point is, no one meant any offense here, and FLIBOYZ's response was a bit strong.
Ramprat74 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1099 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 986 times:
I knew what you meant Alex. This PC is getting out of hand I think. So we should say that the caucasoids from California like to visit Hawaii. Or would it be easier to say Californians like to travel to Hawaii. California has more diverse population then Hawaii.
Back to the subject. I think traffic wise, one flight a week is enough between HNL-PPT. I know there are more flights from HNL to Raro Tonga, Samoa and Fiji.
Ramme From United States, joined Nov 2000, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 948 times:
I'm sorry y'all, but you can't expect everyone to know that Hawaians are native people from Hawai only.
Californians live in CA, Texans live in TX, Dutch live in The Netherlands, and so on. Have a bit of patience with those people and please, next time, explain in a polite manner how the word Hawaian should be used.
You can expect *a lot* of people to make this "mistake".
Aloha73g From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 920 times:
As a non-Hawaiian whose family has been in Hawaii for over 120 years, I refer to my self as, "a person from Hawai'i" or "Kamaaina." I have NEVER nor will I ever refer to myself as Hawaiian because it is a race or people. When I am at school here in California, people often refer to me as a Hawaiian and I correct them and explain to them that though I am from Hawai'i I am not Hawaiian. Californians or Texans are NOT races from those states so obviously refer simply to residents.
To people from Hawai'i this is a pretty big deal, as it boils down to the immense respect people in Hawai'i have for other cultures. I do not take offense to being called Hawaiian, I would rather not be called that and hope that people, like anyone reading this now, understands why and will not refer to anyone living in Hawai'i as a Hawaiian. If anyone wants me try explain this better I'll give it a shot.
To the topic, Hawaiian Airlines has been flyign HNL-PPT for many years and contnues to, so I would assume that the flight does reasonably well for them.
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FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 888 times:
Thank you, Aloha73g, for the excellent clear explanation. That makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above and as you confirmed, it is quite common for people on the mainland to refer to Kamaainas as "Hawaiian." However, I understand that it is a sensitive issue and I will do my best to avoid improper use of the word in the future.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 870 times:
In the 80's there was an airline called South Pacific Island Air that operated
707's from HNL to PPT, and HNL to ANC, and a few other places like Guam and Samoa. I think they were shut down because of horrendous safety violations.
Expressjetphx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 827 times:
I don't think the the original post involving the word "Hawaiians" was referring to the race of people native to the islands, but the general population of Hawaii. It's just like saying many Americans go to Europe. This is not a racial issue. Yes, there is a weekly HA flight HNL-PPT.
Aloha73G From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 783 times:
I don't think the the original post involving the word "Hawaiians" was referring to the race of people native to the islands, but the general population of Hawai'i.
We know that, we are just saying that "Hawaiians" is absolutely the incorrect word to describe all the people in Hawai'i. I don't expect everyone to know everything about everyone else, but discussions like this one can be informative for people who may not know what is actually going on. I have learned a lot in this forum about all kinds of different things and think the diversity of the people in here gives us all an opportunity to learn a lot.
Also, I just remembered that few years back Hawaiian operated a charter for a cruise company from LAX to Tahiti. That was cancelled when the cruise company went bankrupt I think. Hawaiian also flies weekly to American Samoa.
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