WILCO737 From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 3884 posts, RR: 66 Posted (2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
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Hello everybody,
I need to vent something here which p***** me off...
There is another website I am part of. It's a photography website (non- aviation) related. You can upload pictures there, rate them, leave comments etc etc.
Today I found a picture of airliners.net which has been amazingly changed. Basically just the titles so that the airline is no longer visible. He changed the titles to his username instead. And called it "My 747, internation commercial".
I commented the picture and wrote: well done, but do you have the permission of the photographer from a.net where I know this picture is from?
Now, an hour later, I see this picture is deleted from this other website and he put me on IGNORE! He claims to be a professional photographer with publishing books and in newspaper and magazines.
Isn't his behaviour unaccaptable? He is NOT obersving any copyrights! And I bet he hates it if somebody is using his pictures and editing them like that.
It will continue to happen until we are allowed to put a permanent watermark on our images. I would be willing to bet the ignorant slob would not have used the image had it had a prominent watermark.
WILCO737 From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 3884 posts, RR: 66 Reply 2, posted (2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1648 times:
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Quoting JeffM (Reply 1): It will continue to happen until we are allowed to put a permanent watermark on our images. I would be willing to bet the ignorant slob would not have used the image had it had a prominent watermark.
I guess you are right. But with a watermark even we members here cannot really enjoy the pictures 100%. I use some of the a.net pictures as wallpaper on my desktop and it wouldn't looke the same with watermark...
But you are right, I guess. We will continue to see that. But it is annoying and his behaviour is childish... and he pretends to be a pro
WILCO737 (MD11F)
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Whisperjet From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Hi,
of course it's not right to use other people's pictures in that way but I think that is something we uploaders have to live with. I know that there are dozens of private and commercial websites (eg virtual airlines) which use pictures from airliner.net.
Not long ago I got a bunch of postcard-like pictures from Aeroflot, on some there was even the copyright-bar partly visible.KTHY also uses pictures from a.net in their emails and doubt they have ever asked the photographers.
I think I have seen the edited 747 on fotocommunity.de. Was a really stupid edit.
WILCO737 From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 3884 posts, RR: 66 Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1648 times:
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Quoting Whisperjet (Reply 3): I think I have seen the edited 747 on fotocommunity.de. Was a really stupid edit.
So I see you know what website I was talking about
The 744 looked weird and the original picture is so great.
The behaviour just p***** me off. Just removed his pic and put me on ignore. Some people just cannot admit that they made a mistake.
I think 2 other pictures of him are "stolen" as well, but I cannot prove it...
WILCO737 (MD11F)
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Vaporlock From Canada, joined May 2001, 3548 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1644 times:
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2): But it is annoying and his behaviour is childish... and he pretends to be a pro
Phil, I agree but as a few have stated there will always be SOB's that think they can do anything.....his behaviour is childish and whether or not he is a "pro" his behaviour sure doesn't reflect that.
Vaps
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WILCO737 From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 3884 posts, RR: 66 Reply 7, posted (2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1621 times:
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Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 6): If you see something again like that make you sure you take a screen shot, then you can show that screen shot in here.
Oh I will for sure. But I wasn't that smart at that moment I never expected him to delete it right away and put me on ignore...
I contacted the photographer of the original picture to let him know about it. But won't help now...
But next time: screenshot!!!
WILCO737 (MD11F)
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WILCO737 From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 3884 posts, RR: 66 Reply 8, posted (2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
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Good news guys: He is guilty!
I found another pic which he took and pretended it to be his picture. An AF on approach to KaiTak. He removed the reg and cloned another building in, so that it seems to be different. But it can be seen easily...
The plot thickens
WILCO737 (MD11F)
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TopGun3 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
I know it sort of ruins the picture, but I put the AIRLINERS watermark on all my uploads to discourage picture thieves from using my work without asking first.
ZakHH From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1508 times:
Sounds like a guy who should stand in the pillory. Why don't you publish his fotocommunity.de account name here? I'll gladly volunteer to send him nice account comments...
WILCO737 From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 3884 posts, RR: 66 Reply 12, posted (2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1506 times:
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Quoting ZakHH (Reply 11): Why don't you publish his fotocommunity.de account name here? I'll gladly volunteer to send him nice account comments... devil
Nah, I won't do that. Maybe you'll find out his name on your own But the officials there are informed, so it's only a matter of time until this pic will be gone...
WILCO737 (MD11F)
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JeffM From United States, joined May 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
Quoting TopGun3 (Reply 9): I know it sort of ruins the picture, but I put the AIRLINERS watermark on all my uploads to discourage picture thieves from using my work without asking first.
For $5 I can have every picture in the database without a watermark....
TransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Quoting JeffM (Reply 1): It will continue to happen until we are allowed to put a permanent watermark on our images. I would be willing to bet the ignorant slob would not have used the image had it had a prominent watermark.
In this case, the watermark issue is irrelevant. The photographer chose to upload without a watermark.
I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
JeffM From United States, joined May 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 50 Reply 15, posted (2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Quoting TransIsland (Reply 14): In this case, the watermark issue is irrelevant. The photographer chose to upload without a watermark.
and a poor choice at that. If we had the option to have permanent watermarks regardless of membership status, many of us would regardless of weather people choose not to look at watermarked images or not.
TransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1282 times:
Quoting JeffM (Reply 15): and a poor choice at that. If we had the option to have permanent watermarks regardless of membership status, many of us would regardless of weather people choose not to look at watermarked images or not.
Jeff, I'm with you on that one. However, it would appear that there are still people out there who upload without (the "limited") watermark... This fellow was one of them.
I guess we all learn the hard way. I started watermarking after I picked up the local newspaper one day just to find my photo in there. Don't get me wrong, I knew they stole from a.net, but usually from foreigners, not from local photographers (and especially not from ones who used to work for that particular paper) who can simply walk into their office and yell at the managing editor until they walk out again with a cheque in their hands. I guess some copy editor was asleep that day.
But it's always the same thing, when our paper carries an aviation story, there's usually a stolen a.net pic in there from some poor, unsuspecting bloke who uploads without a watermark. Once I notify them of the newspaper article, miraculously, their next photos all have big fat watermarks. (Oh, and Bahamasair does it, too, for their inflight magazine.)
I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
ZakHH From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1107 times:
Quoting Eadster (Reply 17): I agree with Jeff. If people refuse to use the watermark feature, then they only have themselves to blame.
So basically its the original persons behaviour that causing the issue.
Sorry, but that probably goes one step too far. The blame still is first and foremost with the person who is wrongfully copying and altering the image, only to display it as his own work.
It is okay to point out that the photographers can actively prevent it by adding a watermark to the picture, and I would agree that everyone should consider to do it. But the absence of a watermark is by no means a justification for image theft.
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I never expected him to delete it right away and put me on ignore...
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